Paul Ramey, worship pastor of Imago Dei in Portland, OR returns to the podcast to update us about his coaching ministry to worship leaders. The biggest change is that he now gets most of his clients through a worship leader network he built.

Three take aways from the conversation:

1. Build the network before you tap it.

2. Make sure the network is a safe place.

3. Navigating the awkwardness of converting relationships to clients.

You can find Paul at treefortcoaching.com.

Brian Miller and Chad Hall direct this podcast toward the client rather than the coach. We hope that this might help the coach see the client's perspective, and we hope that this might be a useful resource for your client.

1. Have a willingness to have goals
2. Show up ready to work
3. Be willing to work/think
4. See your coach as a partner
5. Be as vulnerable as possible

In this episode, Brian interviews Doug Foltz of STADIA Church Planting, about his experience coaching dozens and dozens of church planters. Listen as Doug shares what he has learned from coaching over 100 church planters.

Here are some of Doug's best practices:

1. Actually coach them.
2. Coach the heart of the planter.
3. Challenge them.
4. Get early wins.

Some common problems coaching church planters:

1. They want results right now.
2. They will experience the death of a dream when results don't match expectations.
3. The "It's a season" excuse
4. Each session, they need a miracle.

You can find out more about Doug at stadiachurchplanting.org.

Chad and Brian break down 8 common coaching mistakes.

1. Not clarifying what the client wants from the session
2. Not creating awareness early enough
3. Creating the wrong kind of awareness in the wrong part of the conversation
4. Not checking in halfway to see where the client wants to go
5. Confusing coaching and counseling
6. Not educating the client about the process of coaching
7. Asking the potential client how we should structure the relationship
8. Adjusting your rate for multiple sessions