The Coach Approach Podcast

Welcome to the Coach Approach Ministries Podcast! Coaching is a skillset and a mindset that helps people find focus, discover options and take action. At CAM, we train the very best Christian coaches in the world, and over the last decade, we've trained well over a fifteen hundred coaches. Through this podcast, we want to share insights from the Coaching Community and help you to develop a broader understanding of coaching. You can find out more about us at and sign up for our proven coach training.
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Jun 20, 2019

Without diving deep into the sport of professional basketball, Brian and Chad take a look at the lessons we can learn from Steve Kerr, the head coach of the Golden State Warriors, who have won three championships in five years. Kerr doesn't yell or pace the sidelines. He listens and observes much more than he speaks. He creates an open and trusting atmosphere among some of the highest paid and talented athletes in the world. There is much we can learn from Steve Kerr and apply to our coaching and leadership.

Jun 13, 2019
Jane Creswell, MCC is a Co-founder of Coach Approach Ministries.
She spends most of her time working with corporations to create a coaching culture but her covert mission is to bring Christ in those companies.
Under Coaching Presence
  1. Coach partners with the client by supporting the client to choose what happens in the session.
  2. Coach partners with the client by inviting the client to respond in any way to the coach’s contributions and accepts the client’s response.
  3. Coach partners with the client by playing back the client’s expressed possibilities for the client to choose from.
  4. Coach partners with the client by encouraging the client to formulate his or her own learning.
Jun 6, 2019

Triple Loop Learning was discovered by Chris Argyris, a Harvard Professor. We discovered it in Robert Hargrove's book, Masterful Coaching.

The three loops are often called by different names, but one set of names are:

1. Action

2. Strategy

3. Identity

May 30, 2019
PCC Quality Coaching is Your Next Step.
Here are four cornerstone elements that support PCC level coaching:
  1. PCC coaches have a balance between focus and exploration. (ACC coaches typically go one way or the other)
  2. PCC coaches are easy to talk to. (not judgmental, conversational, no agenda)
  3. PCC coaches create new awareness. (not "what are your options", creativity, risks, stimulant to client thinking)
  4. PCC coaches are really good at designing actions (ACC coaches typically only identify actions)
May 23, 2019

Terry Gurno is the CEO of Terry Gurno and Influence. He is an Executive Coach, Trainer, Author, and Leadership Artist. Terry shares his journey from the pastorate to being CEO of a company to starting his own coaching business. There are lots of learnings along the way.

May 16, 2019

Lots of people like podcasts about questions, but there is one skill that is more important - listening. In this podcast, Brian and Chad discuss how to be better listeners.

May 9, 2019
Linda Miller has been with the Ken Blanchard Companies for 18 years! She is their Global Liaison for Coaching. She was also a founding partner with CAM. She shows us how to build trust in any situation.
You can build trust in four areas:
  • Able
  • Believable
  • Connected
  • Dependable
May 2, 2019

Brian and Chad approach the issue of questions from a different angle. What are some questions you should NEVER ask?

  • Looking to the past - What have you got so far? What have you tried so far?
  • Prescriptive - Have you ever thought about...
  • Judged - Why did you do that? How stupid are you? Really? 
  • Collecting information already discovered - Have you thought about anything that you could do about that?
  • Bad timing - What could you do about that? (at the beginning) What about this is really important? (at the end)
Apr 25, 2019
This week we are going to feature an interview recorded for Christian Coaching Magazine by Michael Cheuk. In this interview, Michael interviews Dr. Chris Gambill about his experience with the Workplace "Big 5" Profile. He talks about what the Big 5 Profile is, and how a coach should use it. 
Also, as a note, if you're interested in subscribing to Christian Coaching Magazine, you can do so by going to and paying $15 per year, which not only gives you access to amazing articles on coaching but also helps to support Michael in bringing added value such as this interview.
Apr 18, 2019

Often our coaching may feel closer to counseling as our clients show a need for an internal shift. Brian and Chad discuss the distinctions of counseling and coaching and how coaching often is the right approach.

Apr 11, 2019

Grace Dyson started coaching during her corporate years. She talks about how she positioned herself within the company as a coach, used coaching in her leadership style, and how she prepared herself to leave corporate and become a full-time coach.

Her podcast is The Parent as Career Coach.

Apr 4, 2019

After eight years of coaching, Brian decided to look at his coaching hours log to see where his clients came from. With 90 unique clients, here are some observations.

  • Not one client came from my website, reading my blog, or social media. Not one. Ever.
  • My first twenty clients came from wherever I could find them.
  • Eight of my first twenty clients were the key to all the rest of my clients.
  • Working these networks produced multiple clients all at once.

Chad and Brian discuss all the results on today's podcast.

Based on a blogpost found here.

Mar 28, 2019
Angie Ward is an award-winning regular contributor to Christianity Today leadership publications. She is a highly regarded teacher and collaborative leader with experience in church, parachurch, and Christian higher education contexts. She holds a Ph.D. in Ministry Leadership from The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
Angie joins the podcast to talk about exploring deeply held assumptions. This is where the conflict really occurs.
3 levels of organizational culture - Assumptions are below the water.
  1. Artifacts
  2. Espoused vallues
  3. Underlying Assumptions
Where can people find Angie? @indyaward,, church chat podcast
Mar 21, 2019

Brian and Chad discuss the GROW model for coaching and walk through each step. This is a deeper dive than you might have already taken.

  1. Goals (Future)
  2. Reality (Present)
  3. Options (What's possible? Discerning)
  4. Who, What, When, Will to do it (Designing Actions)
Mar 14, 2019
Jane Creswell, Co-founder of Coach Approach Ministries, joins the podcast to share her insights on the new PCC markers provided by the International Coach Federation.
Previous Jane Creswell podcasts
#086 Learn Group Coaching from a Pioneer
#017 A Missionary to the Corporate World
#018 Introducing Coaching Into a Fortune 500 Company
Mar 7, 2019

Chad shares his honest opinion about the popular Enneagram assessment. There are things he likes. There are things he doesn't. Your opinion may be different.

  1. The specific descriptions of human personality is true
  2. Overall framework of human personality is not true
  3. There is no validity backing it up
Feb 28, 2019
Brian interviews Joel Cocklin on the topic of Resilience.
Five elements of Resilience:
  1. Positivity 
  2. Resourcefulness
  3. strong sense of self (confidence)
  4. Self-discipline
  5. Flexibility - Resilient people are not rigid people
Podcast #074 on Positive Psychology 
Some facts about Joel:
  • Pastored for 10 years in PA
  • Entered Army chaplaincy in 1982 for 27 years plus
  • Specialized in family/marriage therapy - 3 year program completed in 14 months - MS in human development and family studies - clinical setting seeing couples and families with myriad of problems at Fort Riley
  • Command chaplain with US Southern Command - a great privilege to be the chaplain and work with 4 star general and then a 4 star Navy Admiral, working with religious leaders in those countries
  • Senior chaplain at Fort Bragg
  • Retired as a full-bird colonel
  • 9 years as Director of Leadership Development and then as Academic Dean of Winebrenner Theological Seminary
  • Now retired
Feb 21, 2019

Brian and Chad list six benefits of mentor coaching.

  1. An outside perspective
  2. Motivation
  3. Confidence
  4. Connections
  5. Resources
  6. Feedback
You can find mentor coaching at
Feb 14, 2019
Today Brian interviews Dr. Tod Bolsinger, author of Canoeing the Mountains: Christian Leadership in Uncharted Territory. Tod is the Vice President and chief of leadership formation at Fuller Seminary. He is an ordained pastor and consults and coaches with churches and nonprofits. 
Adaptive challenges are those that “cannot be solved with one’s
existing knowledge and skills, requiring people to make a shift in their values, expectations, attitudes, or habits of behavior.”
An understanding of this kind of adaptive leadership has
three characteristics:
1. a changing environment where there is no clear answer
2. the necessity for both leaders and followers to learn, especially the leader’s own ongoing transformation
3. the unavoidable reality that a new solution will result in loss
From Tod's book, a list of questions and suggestions he often asks his coaching clients:
  • What is the song behind the words that is keeping us all dancing? In other words, what deeper tune of the church is getting played in this circumstance? What is going on in this situation that nobody is talking about but is affecting the whole system of the church? - p 115
  • I also often coach my pastor clients to give a yearly “I Have a Dream” sermon in order to keep raising the urgency in the congregation. - p 142
  • As a coach to pastors, I am almost always in the role of confidant. - p 159
  • I tell my coaching clients, “You must bring yourself to your role, but you are not your role.” - p 211
  • I often coach my clients, “Make your goal in every conversation to have someone roll their eyes upward (which indicates that they are thinking differently) and say, ‘That’s a great question.’” - p 213
Text canoeing to 66866 for more resources from Tod
Feb 7, 2019
Today's podcast is about Optimism vs Pessimism. Research shows optimists are more successful. Chad and Brian talk about three distinct ways to interpret success and failure. These can become our lenses for viewing failure and success.
  1. Personal
  2. Prevalence 
  3. Permanence
We invite you to take our class on Coaching and Positive Psychology which starts February 18, 2019.
Chad mentioned the author Martin Seligman, who wrote Flourish and The Hope Circuit.
Jan 31, 2019
Coach the person instead of the problem. Chad lays out some distinctions that help us draw out the fullness of a client. Strangely, we talk a little too much about jockeys. And stay tuned till the very end for instructions on how to download a free tool that will help you dive into today's topic.

5 aspects of a person:

1. Natural gifts

2. Acquired strengths

3. Personality

4. Spiritual Gifts

5. Character

Chad wanted me to make available a one page breakdown of the 7 Heavenly Virtues. You can download this helpful resource by going to

Jan 24, 2019
This week we feature an interview recorded for Christian Coaching Magazine by Michael Cheuk. In this interview, Michael interviews Dr. Errin Weisman about her experience with burnout and how she started a coaching practice that helps doctors and working moms to live their best. Errin was trained by Coach Approach Ministries, and we thought you might be interested in her thoughts on burnout and also to see how she is using her coach training to gain the flexibility she desires as a working mom. 
Also, as a note, if you're interested in subscribing to Christian Coaching Magazine, you can do so by going to and paying $15 per year.  This gives you access to amazing articles on coaching and also supports Michael in bringing added value such as through this interview.
Jan 17, 2019

Instead of talking about coaching, Brian and Chad demonstrate coaching. Chad coaches Brian through an upcoming transition, then they debrief the coaching conversation.

Jan 10, 2019

Brian interviews former Special Agent Laura Sanders who worked almost 10 years for the IRS. Laura identifies five areas where the new tax laws will affect you on your next tax filing.

1. Tax Rates Lowered
2. Child Tax Credit Increased
3. Personal Exemptions Eliminated
4. Flat Standard Deduction vs. Itemized Deductions
5. 20% Deduction for Qualified Trade or Business - Section 199A (the most important section for self-employed coaches)
Jan 3, 2019

Brian and Chad discuss what it takes to grow your confidence and credibility as a coach. 

  • A coach needs to understand the foundations of coaching
  • A coach needs to know how to create relationships with clients
  • A coach needs to hone their skills alongside other coaches

All these attributes can be gained through CAM's Certificate in Christian Leadership Coaching

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